the defense complex complains they don't have enough american-born skilled math and scientists physicists. this is a american security issue, yet you find the paralysis on figuring out how to do it. >> there are great experimental things going on. the other conversation is do you really need college anymore? you have the opposite -- >> people have the conversation of a college degree. >> the answer is yes. >> you look and say yes, you do. there are only so many jobs and it takes a college graduate. >> mark zuckerberg. >> exactly. that is where you can be an entrepreneur. bill gates and many of them actually dropped out of college or whatever they did and were able to use their brain power and hard work to harness an economy for the future. not everybody is bill gates or mark zuckerberg. i'm fascinated by shanghai is doing one of the best in education. we know in europe that poland is. to me, it seems these are the aspirational countries. these are the countries that want to punch above their way and join the developed world and economies. i'm sure the u.s. was like this 100 years ago. >>